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	<title>Comments on: This I believe: Everything is a manifestation of God</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 05:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only said that religious dogma amounts to morality through coercion. If you see obeying that coercion as pathetic, I won&#039;t argue with you. As for free will, you&#039;re right - practically there&#039;s very little difference between those possibilities. It&#039;s similar to the paradox; if God already knows what I&#039;m going to do, I can&#039;t possibly do anything else, so how can I have free will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only said that religious dogma amounts to morality through coercion. If you see obeying that coercion as pathetic, I won&#8217;t argue with you. As for free will, you&#8217;re right &#8211; practically there&#8217;s very little difference between those possibilities. It&#8217;s similar to the paradox; if God already knows what I&#8217;m going to do, I can&#8217;t possibly do anything else, so how can I have free will?</p>
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		<title>By: Dossy</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: Suggesting that humans only act out of necessity, due to this Godly coercion, makes us sound even more pathetic than we are.

What is the difference between not having free will at all vs. having free will but only doing things out of necessity or coercion?  Semantically there is, but practically?

I agree, some people do need to be coerced in order to &quot;do the right thing&quot; but, not everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: Suggesting that humans only act out of necessity, due to this Godly coercion, makes us sound even more pathetic than we are.</p>
<p>What is the difference between not having free will at all vs. having free will but only doing things out of necessity or coercion?  Semantically there is, but practically?</p>
<p>I agree, some people do need to be coerced in order to &#8220;do the right thing&#8221; but, not everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify - I like the concept of God in term of a personification of &#039;the connectedness of all things&#039;. While I believe in reductionism, and that everything in the universe will be found to be just the emergent behaviour of incredibly complicated systems of particles and energy, there&#039;s really no way to live a &quot;meaningful&quot;, rewarding life unless you suspend your disbelief. Actually I quite like that... &quot;Religious Views: Suspension of Disbelief&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify &#8211; I like the concept of God in term of a personification of &#8216;the connectedness of all things&#8217;. While I believe in reductionism, and that everything in the universe will be found to be just the emergent behaviour of incredibly complicated systems of particles and energy, there&#8217;s really no way to live a &#8220;meaningful&#8221;, rewarding life unless you suspend your disbelief. Actually I quite like that&#8230; &#8220;Religious Views: Suspension of Disbelief&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second everything Salvar said. I can fully understand &quot;God-as-a-concept&quot; just as I can understand &quot;justice-as-a-concept&quot; or even &quot;conscience-as-a-concept&quot; (after all, it&#039;s really just an arrangement of chemical reactions and electrical wiring that evolved to make humans more socially altruistic - not a separable &quot;thing&quot; as such). This doesn&#039;t make it any more than metaphorically true to say &quot;the law of X country is unjust&quot;, &quot;I betrayed my conscience&quot;, or &quot;God wants us to be good&quot;. What I personally dislike about the &quot;God&quot; concept - as you&#039;ve described it at least - is that it *isn&#039;t* just about obeying your conscience, it&#039;s about obeying your conscience *or else*. Because if it weren&#039;t for the coercion, what would make God any more morally necessary than Jiminy Cricket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second everything Salvar said. I can fully understand &#8220;God-as-a-concept&#8221; just as I can understand &#8220;justice-as-a-concept&#8221; or even &#8220;conscience-as-a-concept&#8221; (after all, it&#8217;s really just an arrangement of chemical reactions and electrical wiring that evolved to make humans more socially altruistic &#8211; not a separable &#8220;thing&#8221; as such). This doesn&#8217;t make it any more than metaphorically true to say &#8220;the law of X country is unjust&#8221;, &#8220;I betrayed my conscience&#8221;, or &#8220;God wants us to be good&#8221;. What I personally dislike about the &#8220;God&#8221; concept &#8211; as you&#8217;ve described it at least &#8211; is that it *isn&#8217;t* just about obeying your conscience, it&#8217;s about obeying your conscience *or else*. Because if it weren&#8217;t for the coercion, what would make God any more morally necessary than Jiminy Cricket?</p>
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		<title>By: Dossy</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvar: Thanks for the comment!  I realize I didn&#039;t draw enough attention to a key sentence I wrote above,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;At the deepest level, our individual conscience is God&#039;s voice, speaking to us.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

God, the concept, is intangible but extant, like mathematical &quot;infinity.&quot;  However, God, the &quot;being,&quot; is really within us--our inner voice, our conscience, that guides us.  The &quot;Devil&quot; isn&#039;t a separate being--it is the realization of our inner God, carried out through actions.

Our actions constantly defy what our inner conscience knows is right.  Living a &quot;Godly&quot; life simply translates to being able to control our actions such that they match up to what our conscience wishes for us to do.

When people &quot;turn to God,&quot; and &quot;ask for God&#039;s help&quot; and &quot;obey God&quot; ... they might truly &quot;hear a voice.&quot;  That&#039;s the voice of their conscience speaking.  Sometimes, we listen and obey.  Sometimes, we &quot;follow the Devil&quot; and let our actions manifest differently than our &quot;God&quot; would dictate--in other words, we sin by doing not what we know is right, but instead by doing what we want regardless.

Again, thanks for asking--this was helpful as I definitely needed to clarify this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvar: Thanks for the comment!  I realize I didn&#8217;t draw enough attention to a key sentence I wrote above,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;At the deepest level, our individual conscience is God&#8217;s voice, speaking to us.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>God, the concept, is intangible but extant, like mathematical &#8220;infinity.&#8221;  However, God, the &#8220;being,&#8221; is really within us&#8211;our inner voice, our conscience, that guides us.  The &#8220;Devil&#8221; isn&#8217;t a separate being&#8211;it is the realization of our inner God, carried out through actions.</p>
<p>Our actions constantly defy what our inner conscience knows is right.  Living a &#8220;Godly&#8221; life simply translates to being able to control our actions such that they match up to what our conscience wishes for us to do.</p>
<p>When people &#8220;turn to God,&#8221; and &#8220;ask for God&#8217;s help&#8221; and &#8220;obey God&#8221; &#8230; they might truly &#8220;hear a voice.&#8221;  That&#8217;s the voice of their conscience speaking.  Sometimes, we listen and obey.  Sometimes, we &#8220;follow the Devil&#8221; and let our actions manifest differently than our &#8220;God&#8221; would dictate&#8211;in other words, we sin by doing not what we know is right, but instead by doing what we want regardless.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for asking&#8211;this was helpful as I definitely needed to clarify this.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvar</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around paragraph five I was becoming interested in what you would say--what answer was there that wasn&#039;t proof (nobody has yet proved God), but was at least convincing to someone who appears to be intelligent? I have to say, I&#039;m disappointed. Infinity isn&#039;t a physical thing, or something that actually occurs--it&#039;s a concept that&#039;s useful in mathematics. God as a concept is comparable, I guess, but it means more than it appears. Belief in god as a concept (an *extremely* basic, general concept like you&#039;ve outlined) is not more insane than belief in infinity, but anything beyond that--even just using the word &quot;God&quot;, and the pronoun &quot;He&quot;--brings in a whole list of other concepts from existing religion which *are* more insane (as you put it) than belief in infinity. You&#039;ve even jumped right over and assumed that there&#039;s a devil, too, and that this &quot;God as a concept&quot; actively wants things from us. Infinity as a concept doesn&#039;t want things from us--that&#039;s why it&#039;s more &quot;sane&quot;. I urge you to find an explanation that&#039;s more convincing, if you can. I was hoping to find one, reading your post, because I still haven&#039;t found a convincing reason to believe in god. And with something so immaterial, the burden of evidence is to prove that god does exist before I&#039;ll consider giving my belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around paragraph five I was becoming interested in what you would say&#8211;what answer was there that wasn&#8217;t proof (nobody has yet proved God), but was at least convincing to someone who appears to be intelligent? I have to say, I&#8217;m disappointed. Infinity isn&#8217;t a physical thing, or something that actually occurs&#8211;it&#8217;s a concept that&#8217;s useful in mathematics. God as a concept is comparable, I guess, but it means more than it appears. Belief in god as a concept (an *extremely* basic, general concept like you&#8217;ve outlined) is not more insane than belief in infinity, but anything beyond that&#8211;even just using the word &#8220;God&#8221;, and the pronoun &#8220;He&#8221;&#8211;brings in a whole list of other concepts from existing religion which *are* more insane (as you put it) than belief in infinity. You&#8217;ve even jumped right over and assumed that there&#8217;s a devil, too, and that this &#8220;God as a concept&#8221; actively wants things from us. Infinity as a concept doesn&#8217;t want things from us&#8211;that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s more &#8220;sane&#8221;. I urge you to find an explanation that&#8217;s more convincing, if you can. I was hoping to find one, reading your post, because I still haven&#8217;t found a convincing reason to believe in god. And with something so immaterial, the burden of evidence is to prove that god does exist before I&#8217;ll consider giving my belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I&#039;m from NJ. Bergen County.

Thanks, I&#039;m glad you liked that entry. I&#039;m constantly amazed at who God is. He&#039;s bigger, more patient, more loving, and smarter than I give Him credit for.

Shoot me an email and we&#039;ll talk time shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I&#8217;m from NJ. Bergen County.</p>
<p>Thanks, I&#8217;m glad you liked that entry. I&#8217;m constantly amazed at who God is. He&#8217;s bigger, more patient, more loving, and smarter than I give Him credit for.</p>
<p>Shoot me an email and we&#8217;ll talk time shares.</p>
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		<title>By: Dossy</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2005/12/this-i-believe-everything-is-a-manifestation-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes -- you left an anonymous comment on my LiveJournal.  I responded there, but I&#039;ve also put the same response on &lt;a href=&quot;http://dossy.org/archives/000164.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog entry here&lt;/a&gt;.

I took a look around your blog and it seems like you&#039;re a New Jerseyan too.  Maybe we should swap lists of timeshares that we&#039;ve stayed at to try and figure out what good ones are around here.

I really like your entry titled &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; A Still Small Voice&lt;/a&gt;.  Learning to listen is very difficult, but it&#039;s worth it.

What kind of screenwriting do you do -- what genres?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes &#8212; you left an anonymous comment on my LiveJournal.  I responded there, but I&#8217;ve also put the same response on <a href="http://dossy.org/archives/000164.html" rel="nofollow">my blog entry here</a>.</p>
<p>I took a look around your blog and it seems like you&#8217;re a New Jerseyan too.  Maybe we should swap lists of timeshares that we&#8217;ve stayed at to try and figure out what good ones are around here.</p>
<p>I really like your entry titled <a rel="nofollow"> A Still Small Voice</a>.  Learning to listen is very difficult, but it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
<p>What kind of screenwriting do you do &#8212; what genres?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi (again) Dossy.

I found your blog and now I&#039;ve commented twice in one day! (I was the guy who asked about the Westwood Resort)

Anyway, welcome to the family (of God). I&#039;ve been a &quot;believer&quot; for about 20 years. It was nice to see you expressing such a simple and sincere love for God. If you want to know His love, then you will. That&#039;s His promise to us. If we seek Him, we will find Him.

If you have a bible, read the first chapter of Ephesians. Notice all that He had done for us.

Stop by my site if you get a chance. I&#039;ve got some stuff on faith, computers and my second career, screenwriting.

btw: Wil Wheaton is a hero of mine too, although I&#039;m probably old enough to be his father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi (again) Dossy.</p>
<p>I found your blog and now I&#8217;ve commented twice in one day! (I was the guy who asked about the Westwood Resort)</p>
<p>Anyway, welcome to the family (of God). I&#8217;ve been a &#8220;believer&#8221; for about 20 years. It was nice to see you expressing such a simple and sincere love for God. If you want to know His love, then you will. That&#8217;s His promise to us. If we seek Him, we will find Him.</p>
<p>If you have a bible, read the first chapter of Ephesians. Notice all that He had done for us.</p>
<p>Stop by my site if you get a chance. I&#8217;ve got some stuff on faith, computers and my second career, screenwriting.</p>
<p>btw: Wil Wheaton is a hero of mine too, although I&#8217;m probably old enough to be his father.</p>
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