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		<title>By: Dossy</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn:

I don&#039;t see myself as holding us to a higher standard--a different standard, certainly, but not higher.  Even if I disagree with another individual&#039;s--or culture&#039;s--morality, I think it&#039;s important to respect our differences.

What concerns me is the fairness, consistency and equality with which those rules are followed, obeyed, enforced.  That is where I can admire the Iranians, compared to our incredible moral gerrymandering in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see myself as holding us to a higher standard&#8211;a different standard, certainly, but not higher.  Even if I disagree with another individual&#8217;s&#8211;or culture&#8217;s&#8211;morality, I think it&#8217;s important to respect our differences.</p>
<p>What concerns me is the fairness, consistency and equality with which those rules are followed, obeyed, enforced.  That is where I can admire the Iranians, compared to our incredible moral gerrymandering in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Morton Fox</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Morton Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no objection to Ahmadinejad speaking his mind. I just don&#039;t see why we should be spending money and resources on security so that he can speak here. With today&#039;s communication technology, he could deliver his screed from back in Iran and be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no objection to Ahmadinejad speaking his mind. I just don&#8217;t see why we should be spending money and resources on security so that he can speak here. With today&#8217;s communication technology, he could deliver his screed from back in Iran and be heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to take into consideration how a &quot;leader&quot; got into power.  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is known to be a former &quot;soldier&quot;, if you want to call it that, who has shot suspected enemies execution style.  He ascended to power because of his ties to a regime that used brutal tactics to gain control over oil money during a power vacuum in Iran.  And this is not &quot;all in the past&quot;.  Still today, dissidents disappear, or are publicly humiliated.  Women must submit to certain standards of dress or be punished.  This happens now, as you are reading this.

While I feel a chilly reception is childish, and impotent, I can excuse it as being borne out of frustration.  The frustration of having a president that is very ineffectual in stopping Iran from acquiring WMD&#039;s, despite running on a platform of being the candidate who could best prevent that.

Whenever in dialogs with people who are fairly self-critical of the United States, I have to raise the question of whether they are judging peoples and governments of the world by the same standards.  So I need to pose these questions to you.  Do you hold us to a higher standard than you hold Iran?  Do you wish your &quot;representative&quot; was someone appointed to run for office, by a party who enforces it&#039;s strict religious and cultural norms on the populace?  Would you want a &quot;representative&quot; who will stay in office as long as unelected Mullah&#039;s see fit?  ...Or are you merely being disproportionately critical of the United States because you are an American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to take into consideration how a &#8220;leader&#8221; got into power.  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is known to be a former &#8220;soldier&#8221;, if you want to call it that, who has shot suspected enemies execution style.  He ascended to power because of his ties to a regime that used brutal tactics to gain control over oil money during a power vacuum in Iran.  And this is not &#8220;all in the past&#8221;.  Still today, dissidents disappear, or are publicly humiliated.  Women must submit to certain standards of dress or be punished.  This happens now, as you are reading this.</p>
<p>While I feel a chilly reception is childish, and impotent, I can excuse it as being borne out of frustration.  The frustration of having a president that is very ineffectual in stopping Iran from acquiring WMD&#8217;s, despite running on a platform of being the candidate who could best prevent that.</p>
<p>Whenever in dialogs with people who are fairly self-critical of the United States, I have to raise the question of whether they are judging peoples and governments of the world by the same standards.  So I need to pose these questions to you.  Do you hold us to a higher standard than you hold Iran?  Do you wish your &#8220;representative&#8221; was someone appointed to run for office, by a party who enforces it&#8217;s strict religious and cultural norms on the populace?  Would you want a &#8220;representative&#8221; who will stay in office as long as unelected Mullah&#8217;s see fit?  &#8230;Or are you merely being disproportionately critical of the United States because you are an American?</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to grant this fellow the right to speak freely, when he does not grant the same right in his own country.  He may well have something to say, but its not easy to find that worth in the flow of vitriol that he emits.

Are Iranians, as a whole, puppy-killers?  I doubt it.  Is this fellow? Even money -- and thats being generous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to grant this fellow the right to speak freely, when he does not grant the same right in his own country.  He may well have something to say, but its not easy to find that worth in the flow of vitriol that he emits.</p>
<p>Are Iranians, as a whole, puppy-killers?  I doubt it.  Is this fellow? Even money &#8212; and thats being generous.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q. What do call someone who speaks 2 languages
A. Bilingual
Q. What do call someone who speaks 3 languages
A. Trilingual
Q. What do call someone who speaks 1 language
A. Monolingual NO - American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q. What do call someone who speaks 2 languages<br />
A. Bilingual<br />
Q. What do call someone who speaks 3 languages<br />
A. Trilingual<br />
Q. What do call someone who speaks 1 language<br />
A. Monolingual NO &#8211; American</p>
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		<title>By: the Rabbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Rabbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, I wish other people would wake the hell up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, I wish other people would wake the hell up.</p>
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		<title>By: WTJ</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>WTJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, when people from different nationalities gather together, we all agree that american are dumb, sorry, no offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, when people from different nationalities gather together, we all agree that american are dumb, sorry, no offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Muhamed Zalfur</title>
		<link>http://dossy.org/2007/09/just-when-you-thought-americans-couldnt-get-any-dumber/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhamed Zalfur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hai, Why don&#039;t you just shut up. Your just a terrorist. Become a anhero. Its for the best for everyone. Thank you.

Sand Nigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hai, Why don&#8217;t you just shut up. Your just a terrorist. Become a anhero. Its for the best for everyone. Thank you.</p>
<p>Sand Nigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheeri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  As someone who has lots of family in Israel (my parents emigrated, and by now a few cousins have, but other than that, all of my extended family is there), I definitely like the advantage that Israel has.  And yes, it gets what some might call carte blanche.  Then again, it&#039;s a country literally surrounded by enemies.  Imagine if you couldn&#039;t cross the border into NY State, Delaware or PA because it was enemy territory.  If you want to go farther than your state, you have to fly.  (and these days you can&#039;t even go everywhere; most citizens consider Jerusalem unsafe, and on my last trip there we drove to the Dead Sea and took the &quot;long way&quot; to avoid going through Jerusalem)

That all aside, I do believe in free speech.  And that those that are portrayed as guilty often aren&#039;t *as* guilty as they appear, and those portrayed as innocent aren&#039;t as innocent as they appear.  (That&#039;s not even getting into the fact that there are many that are guilty that have sound reasoning like personal revenge or nationalistic pride.  I don&#039;t agree with the reasoning, but at least it&#039;s there, and many of our country&#039;s actions don&#039;t really have sound reasoning -- why do we decry those who say the Holocaust is a myth yet turn a blind eye to Turkey&#039;s denial of the Armenian genocide?)

So, um, yeah.  Let him speak.  Let folks throw rotten tomatoes at him.  Let folks hear what he has to say.  Let him put a wreath at Ground Zero.  He didn&#039;t directly cause the deaths of 9/11/2001, and even if he did, he can still regret them.  In fact, *if* he had any connection at all, isn&#039;t it better that he does express regret?

Columbia is a private university and can do what it wants.  It&#039;s located near a very Orthodox Jewish community, so maybe it&#039;s not the best location.  However, c&#039;mon folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  As someone who has lots of family in Israel (my parents emigrated, and by now a few cousins have, but other than that, all of my extended family is there), I definitely like the advantage that Israel has.  And yes, it gets what some might call carte blanche.  Then again, it&#8217;s a country literally surrounded by enemies.  Imagine if you couldn&#8217;t cross the border into NY State, Delaware or PA because it was enemy territory.  If you want to go farther than your state, you have to fly.  (and these days you can&#8217;t even go everywhere; most citizens consider Jerusalem unsafe, and on my last trip there we drove to the Dead Sea and took the &#8220;long way&#8221; to avoid going through Jerusalem)</p>
<p>That all aside, I do believe in free speech.  And that those that are portrayed as guilty often aren&#8217;t *as* guilty as they appear, and those portrayed as innocent aren&#8217;t as innocent as they appear.  (That&#8217;s not even getting into the fact that there are many that are guilty that have sound reasoning like personal revenge or nationalistic pride.  I don&#8217;t agree with the reasoning, but at least it&#8217;s there, and many of our country&#8217;s actions don&#8217;t really have sound reasoning &#8212; why do we decry those who say the Holocaust is a myth yet turn a blind eye to Turkey&#8217;s denial of the Armenian genocide?)</p>
<p>So, um, yeah.  Let him speak.  Let folks throw rotten tomatoes at him.  Let folks hear what he has to say.  Let him put a wreath at Ground Zero.  He didn&#8217;t directly cause the deaths of 9/11/2001, and even if he did, he can still regret them.  In fact, *if* he had any connection at all, isn&#8217;t it better that he does express regret?</p>
<p>Columbia is a private university and can do what it wants.  It&#8217;s located near a very Orthodox Jewish community, so maybe it&#8217;s not the best location.  However, c&#8217;mon folks!</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you. thank you. and amen!  i was having this exact discussion with my brother-in-law (a saudi) at dinner last night.  i am no longer proud to be american but deeply ashamed. i am ashamed for what is going on and ashamed for not doing anything to stop it.  why can not bush be charged as a war criminal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you. thank you. and amen!  i was having this exact discussion with my brother-in-law (a saudi) at dinner last night.  i am no longer proud to be american but deeply ashamed. i am ashamed for what is going on and ashamed for not doing anything to stop it.  why can not bush be charged as a war criminal?</p>
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